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Old 09-20-2006, 12:47 PM   #1
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wow i cant figure out what to do with my 91 9kt

i definatly want more power, but DI/APC is a system that few people bother to tune..... how hard is it to swap in a wiring harness from a T5 car... i havent decided what im going to do yet but im thinking about ether converting to T5 or running SD chips with full 3 inch exaust and a TD04 turbo, and probly an 85 900t exaust cam. any suggestions would be nice,,,, thanks
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Old 09-20-2006, 01:58 PM   #2
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I talked to Fredrik of maptun about this

On later cars its a bitch of a job

however if you can find a 93 trionic it was basically a di/apc in one box and so is easy to retrofit
you still have to take out the loom but the sensors are all the same (not so in the later years)

And they have tuning upgrades....

however if it was me I would stick an aftermarket ecu and take it from there...
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Old 09-20-2006, 02:07 PM   #3
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megasquirt! its the way to go, i belive you would be the first one to do it on that car though...although it has been done on a 91 900 with LH 2.4 and using a DI cassette, so it shouldnt be that much of a stretch to make it work on a 91 9kt like yours.

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Old 09-20-2006, 02:21 PM   #4
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Metgasquirt is they way I will be going as soon as there is enough money in my bank account to put my '91 back together. The 91 9000T is a quick car because of the 2.3 motor with the short geared transmission and the lack of TCS. Also, In my opinion the "face" of the 1991-1992 9000T is totally badass!

Maybe this winter I will have the car back in one piece and running...one could hope
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Metgasquirt is they way I will be going as soon as there is enough money in my bank account to put my '91 back together. The 91 9000T is a quick car because of the 2.3 motor with the short geared transmission and the lack of TCS. Also, In my opinion the "face" of the 1991-1992 9000T is totally badass!

Maybe this winter I will have the car back in one piece and running...one could hope
Yeah hurry up you need to come out to the track with me soon!!!
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:45 PM   #6
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1991 9000Ts make good track cars from what I hear!
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I can't wait to find out!!! 100+ in turn one at BIR flat out is good times let me tell ya!!! And Road America is even better cause its faster and more entertaining!!!
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If your only going to step up to a TDO4 Gary or Jak's eproms should do the trick. Both will probably recommend stepping up to the Red top injectors. We have 5 of them, well 4 of them putting down some good power running their chips. If you plan on going bigger than the TDO4 you will probably have to look for different alternatives, as we hit a brick wall with one of ours. We installed a TO4E with 60trim .50A/R compressor housing and .48A/R exhaust housing and let me tell you I have pulled all but one hair out of my head trying to get this car right at a respectable boost level let alone what we were shooting for. We have tried numerous chips from both of them and have thrown every new part imaginable trying to fix this P.O.S. We haven't decided what to do with yet, definetly leaning towards T5. Luckly the cooling fan quit and it boiled over so I have some time to breath while the head is at the machine shop. Basicly in my experience they are good chips and you can make descent power with them. I would do your hardware mods and then go with the $200 eproms and see what happens before jumping into Megasquirt or T5. Good luck.

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Old 09-28-2006, 01:40 PM   #9
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Yeah...I have some eproms from a now defunkt company that I got 2nd hand/used a few years ago, and I can see how they would help. The '91 was performing probably above the limits of the exhaust, and possibly near the limits of the turbo as well. I will be experimenting with red tops in that car once it is back in one piece.
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Old 09-28-2006, 01:59 PM   #10
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megasquirt is prolly as simple as getting eproms...just do that.
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Old 09-29-2006, 06:44 AM   #11
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megasquirt is prolly as simple as getting eproms...just do that.
Ummm not to start an argument but eproms take only 15 minutes to install and at a cost of only $200 or so, it's a no brainer. If you can't take the chance of blowing $200 on a possible fix, well then you shouldn't be driving a Saab. Besides with the small amount mods that were mentioned the eproms should be enough, it's not like 400whp is the goal. Good luck.

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Old 09-29-2006, 07:29 AM   #12
 
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It´s good to hear about you have tuning options.....
I have an DI/APC car and SD dont have no chips for my units.... It´s a shame...
It seems tham my DI/APC and Jetronic units were the last ones before Trionic appears, so there´s no development for these ones....

I tought about megasquirt too, but i prefer the eprom solution ( if there was an option... )
Do you think an eprom destined to another unit could be installed in my ECU´s??
In case anyone bother to confirm that possibility, here are the part #´s:
Black Unit DI/APC - 137008215 and 4300125
Metal Unit saying JETRONIC - 0280000940 and 9126194

Thanks and sorry for the OT but still the same issue...
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:17 AM   #13
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Galvas what year/engine does your car have??
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:56 AM   #14
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He has a high output b202, so essentially the old, non-balance shaft 2.0T I was under the impression that it uses the same DI/APC/LH that the US Spec 1990 9000T used. Apparently there is nobody making chips for those cars
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:00 AM   #15
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http://www.saabperformanceparts.com/item163.htm

^this should work for your car Galvas

Unfortunatly there does not seem to be an upgrade written for his fuel system as of yet.

The reason he is having trouble finding an upgrade from US companies is because in 1992 they did not have a 2.0 LH/DI/APC car in the US...but it is the same engine and system as in the 1990 9000T
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^this should work for your car Galvas

Unfortunatly there does not seem to be an upgrade written for his fuel system as of yet.

The reason he is having trouble finding an upgrade from US companies is because in 1992 they did not have a 2.0 LH/DI/APC car in the US...but it is the same engine and system as in the 1990 9000T
Yep, that's exactly what I have in my car now and works great!!
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Old 09-29-2006, 12:53 PM   #17
 
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This is the copy - pasted e-mail i get from the S.Dynamics....

" ...Thank you for the Email and inquiry!
Unfortunately, we do not currently support programing for the 940 ECU or DI/APC for your model 9000... "

I asked them if i could run one of the current chips in my car but they never replied....

I simply gave up.... I can´t find anything....
That was one of the things that make me very sad this year ...
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[QUOTE=Galvas;160168]This is the copy - pasted e-mail i get from the S.Dynamics....

" ...Thank you for the Email and inquiry!
Unfortunately, we do not currently support programing for the 940 ECU or DI/APC for your model 9000... "

I asked them if i could run one of the current chips in my car but they never replied...

I simply gave up.... I canīt find anything....


You should try Jak Stoll jakstollperformance.com He might be able to help you. Good luck
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Copy - pasted e-mail i get from Jak...
" ...Im sorry man I dont have any fuel or DIAPC chips for you...
all I have for you are turbo upgrades & downpipes... "


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Old 09-29-2006, 03:50 PM   #20
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I seriously think that the chips for the 1990 DI/APC would work in your car. You and Newf9000 should compare part numbers for your DI/APC boxes and see what you come up with.
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